2008-08-19T14:26:54Z FluxBB http://devkick.com/talk/topic/11/designer-omg-what-is-that/ Here in New York everyone and their mother can make web sites. I often find myself competing with kids working out of their basements. I find it extremely popular for amateur web designers to build entire sites without any sort of CSS and the sites often look like they were from a cookie cutter. Rarely you will find someone who knows what they are doing and around here those people charge an arm and a leg for a DECENT site. It's very common for people to buy templates from templatemonster.com or something like that, and change a few colors and images and charge a cool $1,000 for like 4 hours of work. I, being a web developer / designer, find it important to provide the client with a more classy, exceptional piece of work - especially if you ever want to make a name for yourself. jonw101 2008-08-19T14:26:54Z http://devkick.com/talk/post/448/#p448 Okay, I'm going to talk about web design, and about the process of a website creation. Now, everything changed, and, although there are some good examples, the most of them doesn't even know how to match colors and do a tableless layout. There are three common cases of the process of web design: 1. Lazy one For start, the site maker (not a designer, 'cause he is not a part of the process at all) downloads Joomla! to his computer, downloads a couple of extensions and a suitable css theme, then changes a couple of colors in the theme and uploads to the server. End? I guess so, and the only thing left to do is (you are probably guessing submitting to Google, but it isn't that) to ask a "community", (such as the EliteSecurity.org in Serbia) how the site looks. Comments are all the same: - "bro, good job, wanna do it for me, too?" - "hey, that's pretty good!!!" and so on... 2. Semi-lazy case The user actually makes a site using HTML. However, these sites are all static, have no SEO, they are not tableless, and you can't find a single line of CSS code. These designs are commonly popular on private pages, but can be found on much bigger locations. Very unprofesional... 3. OMG, a rare example This is the rarest type of a designer. He has a pall who is a PHP/ASP.NET/ROR/JSP/CF programmer, and they work together. The designer writes/makes a nice GUI, and the buddy makes a backend, or integrates it with finished CMS. Site looks good, works fair enough and it is made to fit the standards. So, how are sites made in your country? neondragon 2008-05-13T19:57:10Z http://devkick.com/talk/post/19/#p19